Which is more deadly, accidents or terrorism?

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock]

8,000/1 Killed in a Road Accident
Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.

9,300,000/1 Dying in Terrorist Attack
In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.

http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm

Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
the bottom of the priorities.

Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).


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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"There are many dangers in the jungle, but some are preventable"

COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE

http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

[raamman]

On Aug 10, 8:22 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the

8,000/1   Killed in a Road Accident
Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
9,300,000/1   Dying in Terrorist Attack
In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
the bottom of the priorities.
Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"There are many dangers in the jungle, but some are preventable"
COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

your definition of terrorism seems weak

[Doug]

Post by raamman
On Aug 10, 8:22 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the

8,000/1   Killed in a Road Accident
Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
9,300,000/1   Dying in Terrorist Attack
In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
the bottom of the priorities.
Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"There are many dangers in the jungle, but some are preventable"
COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

your definition of terrorism seems weak

The government needs the threat of terrorism in order to maintain its
control over us. See Orwell's '1984'. Without terrorism there would be
little to fear and the government could not be perceived as protecting
the People by the use of measures which would otherwise seem
oppressive but in reality are all about control and criminalisation.

Of course, cyclists do not figure in this at all.

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
One man's democracy is another man's Police State.

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock]

Post by Doug

Post by raamman
On Aug 10, 8:22 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the

8,000/1   Killed in a Road Accident
Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
9,300,000/1   Dying in Terrorist Attack
In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
the bottom of the priorities.
Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"There are many dangers in the jungle, but some are preventable"
COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

your definition of terrorism seems weak

The government needs the threat of terrorism in order to maintain its
control over us. See Orwell's '1984'. Without terrorism there would be
little to fear and the government could not be perceived as protecting
the People by the use of measures which would otherwise seem
oppressive but in reality are all about control and criminalisation.
Of course, cyclists do not figure in this at all.

We are not in this picture even by accident. The people in turn lend
their support to the leaders and forget about the mundane issues.

I don't think it would have gone this way with Gore, but oh well...

[VFW]

In article

Post by Doug

Post by raamman
On Aug 10, 8:22 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the

8,000/1   Killed in a Road Accident
Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
9,300,000/1   Dying in Terrorist Attack
In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
the bottom of the priorities.
Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"There are many dangers in the jungle, but some are preventable"
COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

your definition of terrorism seems weak

The government needs the threat of terrorism in order to maintain its
control over us. See Orwell's '1984'. Without terrorism there would be
little to fear and the government could not be perceived as protecting
the People by the use of measures which would otherwise seem
oppressive but in reality are all about control and criminalisation.
Of course, cyclists do not figure in this at all.
-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
One man's democracy is another man's Police State.

Yes, and the Fat Cats a.k.a. Neo-Cons have no "country" they mine the
world for their dreams of Power.
Theses latest wars seem to be about Oil. Opium and protecting Israel.
I think I know who the real terrorists are. Old white men.

[Derek C]

Post by raamman
On Aug 10, 8:22 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the

8,000/1   Killed in a Road Accident
Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
9,300,000/1   Dying in Terrorist Attack
In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
the bottom of the priorities.
Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"There are many dangers in the jungle, but some are preventable"
COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

your definition of terrorism seems weak- Hide quoted text -
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It is estimated that over a million people have died directly or
indirectly as a result of the US led invasions of Iraq and
Afghanistan, most of them non-combatants. Several thousand coalition
troops have been killed.

Far from winning the hearts and minds of the native populations and
defeating terrorism, these unsanctioned invasions have only spurned
far more terrorists, including some citizens from the coalition
countries who can see how unfair the situation is. The wars have
pretty much bankrupted the US and UK, who both now have huge National
debts.

[Doug]

Post by Derek C

Post by raamman
On Aug 10, 8:22 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the

8,000/1   Killed in a Road Accident
Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
9,300,000/1   Dying in Terrorist Attack
In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
the bottom of the priorities.
Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"There are many dangers in the jungle, but some are preventable"
COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

your definition of terrorism seems weak- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

It is estimated that over a million people have died directly or
indirectly as a result of the US led invasions of Iraq and
Afghanistan, most of them non-combatants. Several thousand coalition
troops have been killed.
Far from winning the hearts and minds of the native populations and
defeating terrorism, these unsanctioned invasions have only spurned
far more terrorists, including some citizens from the coalition
countries who can see how unfair the situation is. The wars have
pretty much bankrupted the US and UK, who both now have huge National
debts.

Wow! We seem to be in full agreement for a change.

Doug.

[Derek C]

Post by Doug

Post by Derek C

Post by raamman
On Aug 10, 8:22 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the

8,000/1   Killed in a Road Accident
Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
9,300,000/1   Dying in Terrorist Attack
In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
the bottom of the priorities.
Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"There are many dangers in the jungle, but some are preventable"
COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

your definition of terrorism seems weak- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

It is estimated that over a million people have died directly or
indirectly as a result of the US led invasions of Iraq and
Afghanistan, most of them non-combatants. Several thousand coalition
troops have been killed.
Far from winning the hearts and minds of the native populations and
defeating terrorism, these unsanctioned invasions have only spurned
far more terrorists, including some citizens from the coalition
countries who can see how unfair the situation is. The wars have
pretty much bankrupted the US and UK, who both now have huge National
debts.

Wow! We seem to be in full agreement for a change.
Doug.-

OMG! Help!

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock]

Post by Derek C

Post by raamman
On Aug 10, 8:22 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the

8,000/1   Killed in a Road Accident
Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
9,300,000/1   Dying in Terrorist Attack
In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
the bottom of the priorities.
Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"There are many dangers in the jungle, but some are preventable"
COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

your definition of terrorism seems weak- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

It is estimated that over a million people have died directly or
indirectly as a result of the US led invasions of Iraq and
Afghanistan, most of them non-combatants. Several thousand coalition
troops have been killed.
Far from winning the hearts and minds of the native populations and
defeating terrorism, these unsanctioned invasions have only spurned
far more terrorists, including some citizens from the coalition
countries who can see how unfair the situation is. The wars have
pretty much bankrupted the US and UK, who both now have huge National
debts.

They borrowed instead of taxing gas or something and that led to this
mess...

http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=129086933&m=129086926

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock]

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of

Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock
8,000/1 Killed in a Road Accident
Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
9,300,000/1 Dying in Terrorist Attack
In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
the bottom of the priorities.
Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).

Millions of dollars are spent every year on polio vaccines despite that
fact that no one has died from polio in the US for around 30 years.
You're failing to include the lives saved by antiterrorism activities.
As far as your claiming that nothing is spent traffic safety, think of
the thousands of dollars every car has in safety equipment, like air
bags and antilock brakes, the billions spent traffic lights and other
traffic control devices, as well as emergency response vehicles,
equipment and personal, to make our roads safer. And they safer: fewer
people were killed last year in car crashes (around 35,000 in the US)
compared to around 50,000 in years past, despite the fact that there
were more miles driven than ever before.
Don't tell me we don't spend money on traffic safety.
Jeff

The key word is PREVENTION. They are working on making cars safer
(which doesn't make them safer from SUVs) but not on preventing
accidents in the first place...

Really? States have been changing requirements for the initial driver's
license, requiring more practice before getting a limited license and a
full license. Traffic lights and other control devices are put in place
to prevent crashes. Antilock brakes, stabability control and other
safety equipment *PREVENT* crashes. Laws, if obeyed, prevent crashes by
eliminating stupid behavior of drivers while or before driving (e.g.,
cell phone use and drug and alcohol use).
Both preventing crashes and making crashes safer is important to keeping
our highways safer. BTW, I use the word "crashes" because the word
"accidents" implies that they can't be avoided or prevented. With proper
car maintainence, good driving practices and proper engineering of cars
and highways, crashes can be *PREVENTED*.
Jeff
<copyrighted material deleted>

They can be prevented, but are nearly the bottom of priorities in real
life. The single most important law you can enforce to make traffic
safer is:

LANE DISCIPLINE: Every civilized nation in Europe mandates the
vehicles to pass on the outer lanes, instead of finding the chaotic
struggle to pass on our roads. That's DEADLY CHAOS, and I-95 around
here has been found to be the most dangerous in the nation --perhaps
the world.

Bicycles would also benefit from slowing traffic on the right lane
while allowing somewhat faster speeds on the other lanes. Instead of
30 mph across the board (40 average in real life) make it 25 on the
right and 35 on the other lanes. But don't let those laws sit on the
book, ENFORCE IT... or else like the current enforcing we have, it
would look predatory ($) in nature.

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock]

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of

Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of

Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock
8,000/1 Killed in a Road Accident
Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
9,300,000/1 Dying in Terrorist Attack
In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
the bottom of the priorities.
Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).

Millions of dollars are spent every year on polio vaccines despite that
fact that no one has died from polio in the US for around 30 years.
You're failing to include the lives saved by antiterrorism activities.
As far as your claiming that nothing is spent traffic safety, think of
the thousands of dollars every car has in safety equipment, like air
bags and antilock brakes, the billions spent traffic lights and other
traffic control devices, as well as emergency response vehicles,
equipment and personal, to make our roads safer. And they safer: fewer
people were killed last year in car crashes (around 35,000 in the US)
compared to around 50,000 in years past, despite the fact that there
were more miles driven than ever before.
Don't tell me we don't spend money on traffic safety.
Jeff

The key word is PREVENTION. They are working on making cars safer
(which doesn't make them safer from SUVs) but not on preventing
accidents in the first place...

Really? States have been changing requirements for the initial driver's
license, requiring more practice before getting a limited license and a
full license. Traffic lights and other control devices are put in place
to prevent crashes. Antilock brakes, stabability control and other
safety equipment *PREVENT* crashes. Laws, if obeyed, prevent crashes by
eliminating stupid behavior of drivers while or before driving (e.g.,
cell phone use and drug and alcohol use).
Both preventing crashes and making crashes safer is important to keeping
our highways safer. BTW, I use the word "crashes" because the word
"accidents" implies that they can't be avoided or prevented. With proper
car maintainence, good driving practices and proper engineering of cars
and highways, crashes can be *PREVENTED*.
Jeff
<copyrighted material deleted>

They can be prevented, but are nearly the bottom of priorities in real
life. The single most important law you can enforce to make traffic
LANE DISCIPLINE: Every civilized nation in Europe mandates the
vehicles to pass on the outer lanes, instead of finding the chaotic
struggle to pass on our roads. That's DEADLY CHAOS, and I-95 around
here has been found to be the most dangerous in the nation --perhaps
the world.

Evidence that it makes a difference, please. Real evidence. Please show
that I-95 around here (wherever here is) has a higher death rate than
other highways.

According to Data from the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration, here is a the list of America's Top 5 "deadliest"
highways:

1. I-95, Florida

2. I-76, New Jersey

3. I-4, Florida

4. I-15, California

5. I-10, California

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_c_palm_beach_county/west_palm_beach/i-95-most-dangerous-road-in-country

Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock
Bicycles would also benefit from slowing traffic on the right lane
while allowing somewhat faster speeds on the other lanes. Instead of
30 mph across the board (40 average in real life) make it 25 on the
right and 35 on the other lanes. But don't let those laws sit on the
book, ENFORCE IT... or else like the current enforcing we have, it
would look predatory ($) in nature.

It will look predatory. How do you enforce two different speeds based on
the lanes? It will be nearly impossible.
Unless you have something intelligent to say, I will not respond to you
in this thread. You repeat the same tired arguments over and over.
Jeff

Read the book above for more information. Driving on the phone is more
deadly than the evil Drunk Drivers, but it is lawyers, politicians and
doctors driving SUVs who do it more.

BAN THE PHONE! Or else everything is a joke. ;)

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock & the Stationary Bicycle to burn the calories]

T'is a strange thing also, that if a young man living in some U.S.
city's wishes to maximise his chance of staying alive passed 30, then
he has less chance of being killed by joining the military and moving
to Iraq or Afghanistan!
Life is full of strange wonders!

I don't think low IQ is reason for rejection from the Army, but they
figure it's more dangerous in the inner city and they have a financial
reward in joining the Marines.

And they are proud about something, whatever that is. Once they are
there, though, I think they rather be here.

[His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock]

Post by raamman

Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

your definition of terrorism seems weak

So it's theirs. They even planted the idea in certain groups to later
catch them without ever doing a thing. They were from Miami.